tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post6245086220962475281..comments2024-03-28T13:59:11.445-07:00Comments on Left Behind and Loving It: A Rough and Tumble ReceptionD. Mark Davishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-307363531225972812022-01-28T16:18:27.213-08:002022-01-28T16:18:27.213-08:00Kenneth E. Bailey had an interesting point in his ...Kenneth E. Bailey had an interesting point in his book Jesus Through Middle Eastern Eyes that I think speaks to this story. He describes the culture as an honor and shame based culture. One's honor was determined by one's family's place in the community. Honor was a limited commodity, so if one stepped out of one's place, seeking or receiving more honor, then someone else in the community would necessarily lose honor. The question "Isn't this Joseph's son?" might be a way of saying, "Wait a minute --we know this guy and he's nobody special" and then the community steps forward to put Jesus back in his place. I found this helpful.Christine GJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-74237693523281747252019-02-04T07:40:03.813-08:002019-02-04T07:40:03.813-08:00We stand in danger of trying to domesticate the go...We stand in danger of trying to domesticate the gospel, just as congregations stand in danger of trying to domesticate their pastors. I'm glad you persisted. Blessings. MDD. Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-82798599394735720742019-02-02T19:55:39.154-08:002019-02-02T19:55:39.154-08:00Thank you for your excellent exegesis. As I read ...Thank you for your excellent exegesis. As I read your thoughts, I was reminded of a time in my first charge when a congregant became enraged that I was performing wedding ceremonies for people outside the church - esp a same sex couple which he found to be offensive. He was outraged that I used my position as 'his' minister to perform such weddings for outsiders who did not conform to his idea of worthy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-7241153722778798772019-01-29T12:41:44.246-08:002019-01-29T12:41:44.246-08:00Thanks again for your thoughtful exegetical work!Thanks again for your thoughtful exegetical work!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239911562785753073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-42165024755895489302019-01-29T08:53:40.826-08:002019-01-29T08:53:40.826-08:00With great appreciation to the reader who took the...With great appreciation to the reader who took the time and trouble to phone me about it, I have changed one of the words of this original post which had connotations I was unaware of. I cannot say how meaningful it is for us to hold one another accountable in this way. <br />Thank you.D. Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-5179776049706780582016-01-30T08:30:35.188-08:002016-01-30T08:30:35.188-08:00I've thought about this story as a foreshadowi...I've thought about this story as a foreshadowing of crucifixion as well, but even more as a reenactment of the scapegoating process. I wonder if the act was a communal ritual, rather than an attempt to really throw him off the cliff. D. Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-64741929671300832132016-01-30T08:13:01.332-08:002016-01-30T08:13:01.332-08:00What a shame :-) Many thanks for your most though...What a shame :-) Many thanks for your most thoughtful comments on this amazing story. I think this is a real case of 'God in the gaps'. What happened? Nothing happened. Jesus didn't respond to violence with violence and thus defused a very dangerous situation. Still incredible though. <br />Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04704582145970832778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-44728741662384630382016-01-30T08:12:36.137-08:002016-01-30T08:12:36.137-08:00I think it's interesting that Mark's trans...I think it's interesting that Mark's translation includes 'led out of the city' and the verb ἤγαγον : AAI, 3pl, ἄγω, 1) to lead, take with one 1a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal [for sacrifice?] ... to me, both these things hint at the crucifixion. <br />Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04704582145970832778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-21475227448475709442016-01-30T08:09:59.400-08:002016-01-30T08:09:59.400-08:00I think it's interesting that Mark's trans...I think it's interesting that Mark's translation includes 'led out of the city' and the verb ἤγαγον : AAI, 3pl, ἄγω, 1) to lead, take with one 1a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal [for sacrifice?] ... to me, both these things hint at the crucifixion. <br />Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04704582145970832778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-29780175282015077452016-01-30T08:06:55.159-08:002016-01-30T08:06:55.159-08:00What a shame :-) Many thanks for your most though...What a shame :-) Many thanks for your most thoughtful comments on this amazing story. I think this is a real case of 'God in the gaps'. What happened? Nothing happened. Jesus didn't respond to violence with violence and thus defused a very dangerous situation. Still incredible though. <br />Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04704582145970832778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-89717295720911144452016-01-30T05:59:52.870-08:002016-01-30T05:59:52.870-08:00That's where my mind went as well, when Tom po...That's where my mind went as well, when Tom posed his question. D. Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-80434747547656564972016-01-26T08:37:47.856-08:002016-01-26T08:37:47.856-08:00If Luke is writing Theophilus, it might be implied...If Luke is writing Theophilus, it might be implied that Luke is writing to a non-Jewish convert to tell the story of Jesus and salvation not just for the Jews. This event in Jesus life would give an indication of God's salvation was not just for His people but from out of the midst of His people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-64444229382020668602016-01-25T14:19:03.587-08:002016-01-25T14:19:03.587-08:00What I'm wondering is why Luke told this story...What I'm wondering is why Luke told this story in the first place.... what did it mean to his audience.... ??blairhughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296619275162368284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-29427879616967921482013-02-02T20:24:44.879-08:002013-02-02T20:24:44.879-08:00I just can't quite fix in my mind why v.22 rea...I just can't quite fix in my mind why v.22 reads 'witnessing to' him. And I am a little concerned about that word 'marveled,' What if it were 'stunned'? What if they were they were stunned at the "gracious words" that he was speaking. Jesus is, after all, arguing that God's care and healing reach beyond Israel to Phoenicians and Syrians. After all, Elijah provided for none of the widows of Israel and Elisha healed none of the lepers in Israel. None. Those "gracious words" might be "grace" in the sense of "outside of proper boundaries." Their "marvel" might be more offense than wow. <br />I don't know. Here it is Saturday night and I still don't feel that I have a handle on the crux of the story. From Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343191370740534861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-38656195715823985832013-02-02T20:14:58.584-08:002013-02-02T20:14:58.584-08:00I just edited the notes on v.22 to say that the ve...I just edited the notes on v.22 to say that the verb 'witnessed' has an INdirect object and that it is the 'crowds' not the 'crows' that are witnessing to/at/regarding Jesus. I wish the crows had chimed in, but, alas, Luke says nothing about them in this text. <br />From Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343191370740534861noreply@blogger.com