tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post8276491193751802985..comments2024-03-28T13:59:11.445-07:00Comments on Left Behind and Loving It: A Purpose-filled PrayerD. Mark Davishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-76838507024871612042019-06-02T06:00:55.610-07:002019-06-02T06:00:55.610-07:00So Blue Letter Bible shows πιστεύω pisteuō - πιστε...So Blue Letter Bible shows πιστεύω pisteuō - πιστευσόντων as<br />Tense: Future<br />Voice: Active<br />Mood: Participle<br />?Bill Schlesingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14304598437917344802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-935223069239798612016-05-09T05:13:06.069-07:002016-05-09T05:13:06.069-07:00Hi Jeremy and Caryn,
It is a bit tricky to try to...Hi Jeremy and Caryn, <br />It is a bit tricky to try to nail down the antecedent for "they" throughout this prayer. In v.23 you can (and do!) make the case for the antecedent to be either 'the disciples' or 'the world.' That's where I think following the ἵνα shows a pattern of movement from 'Jesus' and God's' essential unity' to 'the disciples' unity' to 'the world's unity.' I think that is the direction that the whole prayer takes as well, with vv. 1-5 being about Jesus and God (though not exclusive of other unities); vv. 6-19 being about the disciples; and vv. 20-26 being about the world. D. Mark Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016377712982292924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-82981136324933905502016-05-08T11:48:28.343-07:002016-05-08T11:48:28.343-07:00Jeremy, I think your last paragraph is right - alo...Jeremy, I think your last paragraph is right - along the lines of Paul's expression that "you will know they are Christians by their love." We're supposed to make God attractive to the rest of the world - something we've failed at so badly that it's a wonder Christianity survives!CarynWhttps://carynw.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-6214909296868932452016-05-01T18:32:57.828-07:002016-05-01T18:32:57.828-07:00Here's a question.
In v23, Jesus prays that wh...Here's a question.<br />In v23, Jesus prays that when the disciples are one in heart and mind, "Then the world will know that you sent me and that you have loved THEM just as you loved me."<br /><br />The surrounding context would lead me to believe that "THEM" refers to the disciples. Then the world will see that the Father loves the disciples. How does that draw people from the world into belief (v21)?<br /><br />Or--is "THEM" the world? As in John 3.16--"God loved the world this way: that he gave his only Son." In other words, is Jesus praying that the loving oneness of the church will show the world the love of God, and hence draw them to Jesus?Jeremy Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063382082199268675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8320313747187588188.post-23234243392450038422016-05-01T18:24:07.032-07:002016-05-01T18:24:07.032-07:00Here's a question.
In v23, Jesus prays that wh...Here's a question.<br />In v23, Jesus prays that when the disciples are one in heart and mind, "Then the world will know that you sent me and that you have loved THEM just as you loved me."<br /><br />The surrounding context would lead me to believe that "THEM" refers to the disciples. Then the world will see that the Father loves the disciples. How does that draw people from the world into belief (v21)?<br /><br />Or--is "THEM" the world? As in John 3.16--"God loved the world this way: that he gave his only Son." In other words, is Jesus praying that the loving oneness of the church will show the world the love of God, and hence draw them to Jesus?Jeremy Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063382082199268675noreply@blogger.com